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Video of Officer James Kuehnlein Threatening a Citizen
by WaTcHeR » 11 Sep 2007, Tue 7:34 pm
Last edited by WaTcHeR on 13 Sep 2007, Thu 1:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by WaTcHeR » 11 Sep 2007, Tue 7:35 pm
Missouri: Police Officer James Kuehnlein Threaten, Detain Motorist for Parking After Hours. A St. George, Missouri police officer is caught on tape threatening to invent charges to arrest a motorist for parking after hours.
A motorist who refused to discuss his personal business with a St. George, Missouri police officer was threatened with arrest last Friday. Brett Darrow, 20, no stranger to unconventional encounters with police, caught a St. George Police Sergeant James Kuehnlein stating that he had the power to invent charges that would put Darrow behind bars. Update: Sergeant Kuehnlein was placed on unpaid leave Monday pending an investigation.
"Try and talk back... to me again," yelled Sergeant Kuehnlein. "I bet I could say you resisted arrest or something. You want to come up with something? I come up with nine things."
The incident began at around 2am. Darrow was to meet a friend who was working late and was going to pick him up. Darrow headed toward a 24-hour commuter parking lot in an unincorporated part of Saint Louis County in his 1997 Nissan Maxima. He put on his turn signal and entered the lot which, aside from Kuehnlein's cruiser, was essentially vacant. After stopping the car, the police officer approached and began questioning Darrow about what he was doing. When Darrow declined to discuss his personal business, the police sergeant exploded. Although the video clearly shows Darrow driving properly and using his turn signal, the police officer insisted that Darrow had broken the law.
"Oh, while you were coming towards me you were swerving back and forth within the roadway," Sergeant Kuehnlein said. "I might give you a ticket for that. You want me to come up with some more? When you turned in, you failed to use your turn signal, your right turn signal."
Without the video, Darrow tells TheNewspaper that he would have stood no chance disproving the officer's word in court. Twenty-eight percent of the St. George municipal budget comes from traffic citations. Darrow wonders how many of the tickets were legitimate.
"Looking into this guys eyes, he was crazy," Darrow said. "I was really scared he was going to assault me. I just wonder how many other people have been arrested on these charges."
After ordering Darrow against the car and searching him, Sergeant Kuehnlein released the motorist.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp
A motorist who refused to discuss his personal business with a St. George, Missouri police officer was threatened with arrest last Friday. Brett Darrow, 20, no stranger to unconventional encounters with police, caught a St. George Police Sergeant James Kuehnlein stating that he had the power to invent charges that would put Darrow behind bars. Update: Sergeant Kuehnlein was placed on unpaid leave Monday pending an investigation.
"Try and talk back... to me again," yelled Sergeant Kuehnlein. "I bet I could say you resisted arrest or something. You want to come up with something? I come up with nine things."
The incident began at around 2am. Darrow was to meet a friend who was working late and was going to pick him up. Darrow headed toward a 24-hour commuter parking lot in an unincorporated part of Saint Louis County in his 1997 Nissan Maxima. He put on his turn signal and entered the lot which, aside from Kuehnlein's cruiser, was essentially vacant. After stopping the car, the police officer approached and began questioning Darrow about what he was doing. When Darrow declined to discuss his personal business, the police sergeant exploded. Although the video clearly shows Darrow driving properly and using his turn signal, the police officer insisted that Darrow had broken the law.
"Oh, while you were coming towards me you were swerving back and forth within the roadway," Sergeant Kuehnlein said. "I might give you a ticket for that. You want me to come up with some more? When you turned in, you failed to use your turn signal, your right turn signal."
Without the video, Darrow tells TheNewspaper that he would have stood no chance disproving the officer's word in court. Twenty-eight percent of the St. George municipal budget comes from traffic citations. Darrow wonders how many of the tickets were legitimate.
"Looking into this guys eyes, he was crazy," Darrow said. "I was really scared he was going to assault me. I just wonder how many other people have been arrested on these charges."
After ordering Darrow against the car and searching him, Sergeant Kuehnlein released the motorist.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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Officer James Kuehnlein
by WaTcHeR » 11 Sep 2007, Tue 7:44 pm
Officer James Kuehnlein scares me! If he ever pulled me over I'd have to kill his ass just to be on the safe side, so that I protected myself from being set up or abused "which officer Kuehnlein has stated he would do to a citizen." Hell if anyone gets pulled over by Officer Kuehnlein, they need to protect their family and themselves at all cost from this lunatic cop. He's a time bomb waiting to go off on you!
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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Officer James Kuehnlein
by WaTcHeR » 11 Sep 2007, Tue 7:45 pm
Transcript of audio made by Brett Darrow:
1:07
Officer James Kuehnlein: How we doin? What's going on?
Brett: Nothing.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Why you parkin here?
Brett: Can't I park here? It's a commuter lot right?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah, but we have problems after midnight time. People break into cars. You got any ID on you?
Brett: Yeah, I do.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Can I see it please?
Brett: Did I do something wrong?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you're a suspicious vehicle right now.
Brett: I'm what?
Officer James Kuehnlein: [Leans into the car and yells] You are a suspicious vehicle right now.
Brett: In a commuter parking lot?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you are cause we have car thieves in here. Yeah you're right.
Brett: Cause I can park right here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You want me -- You wanna come out of the car? Come on out. Come on out.
1:32
[I exit the vehicle]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Let me see your ID.
[I give him my valid Missouri License]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Let me see your insurance card for the vehicle.
Brett: Did I commit a moving violation?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you did, when you were coming in here.
Brett: Really? What was that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah, you wanna try me? You wanna try me tonight? You think you've had a bad night? I will ruin your ****ing night.
[Officer starts to get close up to my face]
Officer James Kuehnlein You want to try me?
[Officer is inches away from my face, screaming as I'm pinned between him and my vehicle]
Officer James Kuehnlein Do you wanna try me young boy? Do you want to try me tonight young boy?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you want to go to jail for some ****ing reason I come up with?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you wanna see who knows the law better, me or you. My experience compared to your young ass. Huh? Don't ever get smart mouthed with a cop again. I show you what a cop does. Do you understand me?
Brett: Yes sir.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Try and talk back -- Talk back to me again. I bet I could say you resisted arrest or something. You want to come up with something? I come up with nine things. Do you wanna try something?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Wait here.
2:52
Officer James Kuehnlein Oh, while you were coming towards me you were swerving back and forth within the roadway. Okay? I might give you a ticket for that. You want me to come up with some more? When you turned in, you failed to use your turn signal, your right turn signal [Turn signal was used, see video at 0:06]. You wanna try me some more? Huh? Come on smart ass. Gimmie an attitude a little bit more. I bet -- I guarantee I can tow this car by the time I'm done with you. You wanna try me now? Gimmie a little more lip. [officer gets back up in my face] Come on boy. Come on boy give me some more lip. You're done?
Brett: I don't want any problems officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You're about ready to get it. You already start your ****ing problems with your attitude. Did we have a bad night boy? Huh? Answer me or I'll lock you up for failure to imply with a police officer's commands.
Brett: Cause I'm not answering your questions about my personal business?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want me to show you? You want me to show you? You want me to lock you up to show you I'm right and you're wrong?
Brett: No I don't officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You want me to show you the ****ing law.
Brett: No, I mean I know Sean who used to work here. [A new neighbor of mine that used to work in the St. George police department]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Sean who? You mean my buddy, my best friend?
Brett: Yeah. He's me neighbor.
Officer James Kuehnlein Okay, he's my best friend. Oh good. Why don't you go call him and tell him you came in front of Kuehnlein and see what he says If you got lucky you'll walk away from me.
Brett: I really don't want any trouble officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What are you doin' with a camera hooked to your car seat?
Brett: I have lots of cameras in my car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Why is that?
Brett: And they upload to secure sources
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. I don't really care about your secure sources. I've got one in my car. See that?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's a secure source.
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I really don't care about your camera system cause I'm about ready to tow your car. Then we can tear them all apart...
Brett: Oh well, it doesn't matter. The videos not even in here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, it doesn't matter, I really don't care about your video
Brett: I'm sure the news will like it.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't really care cause you're about ready to go to jail.
Brett: I don't want to go to jail officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I'm gonna show you you're about ready to.
Brett: You're right officer
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay.
Brett: I'm sorry.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You think these security cameras -- I guarantee ya, mine and my boy mic is gonna tell a little different and your attitude.
Brett: I don't want any problems.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You started it. Why do you have an attitude? As a matter of fact, I was gonna come in here, see if you're okay. First of all we have people try to commit suicide in here. We have car thieves come in here. We have people break into cars here. I have enough probable cause to stop you. Okay?
Brett: Okay officer, I'm sorry. I don't want any problems.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What is your problem tonight?
Brett: I just had a bad night officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what? You don't take it out on me. You don't never take it out on a cop cause we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What is your problem tonight?
Brett: I had problems earlier, I just came in here to sit.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what, that's all you tell me. You don't give me no problem with -- what did I do wrong cause I guarantee I come up with nine things. If you know Sean, why don't you ask Sean about me. Okay?
Brett: What's your name?
Officer James Kuehnlein Sergeant Kuehnlein.
5:31
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do me a favor. When you do turn in here next time, use your turn signal.
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. And seriously if you are pissed off, you're impairing your driving. Okay? I don't know if you were talking on the phone or just not paying attention, you were honestly coming down the roadway not staying within your roadway. You were honestly going back and forth. I don't know what you were doing, but I go it all on tape. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't know if you were playing with something else, or paying attention to something else, I don't know.
Brett: Alright.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You need to be more aware. And when people pull you over, my job ain't to be P-ed off. Okay? My job is to conduct my career and my job. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't have to have a reason to pull you over. First of all you're a suspicious vehicle in the commuter lot that's pretty much vacant and the commuter lot hours is after dusk, after 12 o'clock. Okay? You understand what I'm getting at? I know the law a little bit... How old are you by the way? 18?
Brett: I'm 20.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, I was close. Okay. I think I've been around, as a matter of fact, I've been a cop almost as long as you've been alive. Okay?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you understand what I'm getting at?
Brett: I really don't want any problems officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you understand what I'm getting at? I'm trying not be ignorant, but when you give me lip, I'm gonna give it right back to you ten times harder. Okay? You give me an attitude, I'm gonna give you attitude a lot harder. Okay?
Brett: Alright.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You understand what I'm getting at? I'm trying to honestly see what's wrong, why, with your attitude. You understand?
Brett: Yeah.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. You seem... You ever been in trouble before?
Brett: Yes.
Officer James Kuehnlein: For what?
Brett: Assault.
Officer James Kuehnlein: To who?
Brett: An off-duty police officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: A cop?
Brett: I was assaulted by a police officer and a grand jury dismissed all the charges and the City of St. Louis paid me not to sue.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. You have a problem then. Is it, was it your attitude that night, probably? Or he just had...
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Or he just had...
Brett: No, it was an intoxicated off-duty police officer that attacked me.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Oh, it didn't happen while he was on-duty?
Brett: No, He was off-duty.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You need to honestly lose... Okay, where do you work at?
Brett: I own my own company.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What do you do?
Brett: I'm a painter. I'm a paint contractor and I go to school.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. Let's say you're a painter. Okay. You were going to sit there a few minutes right?
Brett: Yeah.
Officer James Kuehnlein: We're gonna talk for a few seconds. Okay, then I'll let you go. If you don't have no warrants against you, I'm gonna run your name real quick. You don't have no warrants do you?
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, lets say I come to your job or you come to my house, wherever you're painting and I start giving you attitude. What would you do? Would you get a little irritated about that? And probably not do a great job of painting or something? Am I right or wrong?
Brett: You're right officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: No. Don't agree with me cause you want to agree with me now. Agree with me because, if I'm right, tell me if I'm wrong.
Brett: I don't want any trouble.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Here's my back-up you don't think I'm gonna do anything. We've got cameras and body mics.
Brett: Well I don't know. You said you were going to charge me with resisting arrest and whatever else.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Well yeah. I can come up with more stuff than you can.
Brett: I'm just standing here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: No, cause you kept flinging your hands. [My hands were held at my beltline the whole time]
Brett: My hands were down here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: At toward me. Nah, you were swinging up and down.
8:30
[Officer #2 walks up and James Kuehnlein starts talking to him]
Officer James Kuehnlein: He comes by me, coming down the road going in and out of the roadway within, within the lane. Failure to use a right-turn signal.
Brett: Was I speeding too?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Speeding. Do you understand I don't have to pull you over for speeding. Okay, It's your driving.
Officer #2 He's got a camera in the car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's to a secret link. I told him about our cameras too and our body mics. But anyway, the first thing he does is give me attitude about why I'm pulling him over. First of all, he's in the commuter lot after dark. I told him a lot of people try to commit suicide. Uh, people steal cars. People break into cars. He tried giving me lip and uh, he tried telling me all this stuff.
Officer #2 Why does he have the camera?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Cause he was assault right, but an off-duty drunk city cop so he put cameras in his car. I don't understand it. Anyway, that's him. But, now he's just agreeing with me just for the fun of it cause he had a bad day so he thinks he's gonna tell me the law why I can't pull him over.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's called... When you go home and you want to tell everybody, first thing you tell em, you were pulled over because you were a suspicious vehicle. In the State of Missouri, we have the right to stop anybody walking for a pat check, or stop a suspicious vehicle anytime. Okay? That was my probable cause. And this parking lot, as a matter of fact, what's this parking lot called? Officer James Kuehnlein: What did you just call it?
Brett: It's a parking lot.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What kind?
Brett: A commuter parking lot
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are you commuting somewhere? Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: That's why I was coming to inquire about that, but you just told me you were going to sit here.
Brett: You don't know if I was going to wait here for somebody to come pick me up.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I asked you that, did I not.
Brett: I don't have to say anything. I have the 5th Amendment right.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you really?
Brett: Do you know what the 5th Amendment right is?
Officer James Kuehnlein Do you know what impeding the flow of a police officers duties are?
Brett: What's that? Go ahead, tell me.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Whenever I ask you... If I'm conducting an investigat... This is called a field investigation, if you're impeding it, you're impeding it.
Brett: You're saying, I can't refuse to answer your questions?
Officer James Kuehnlein: They're not incriminating are they?
Brett: You don't know that.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are they incriminating?
Brett: Yes they are.
Officer James Kuehnlein: They are?
Brett: They could be.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Then are you doing something illegal here?
Brett: No I'm not.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Then they are not incriminating.
Brett: Yes, they could be incriminating. I have the right to privacy.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What privacy? Not when you're out in public, you don't have the right to privacy.
Brett: Yes, I do have a right to not tell you where I'm going or what I'm doing.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Really?
Brett: It's the 4th Amendment right.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Really?
Brett: Yes it is. Violation of my rights...
Officer James Kuehnlein: I like this. You want me to tell you the law.
Brett: Go ahead and tell me the law.
Officer James Kuehnlein: If you fail to comply with my orders, my lawful orders, you have the right to go to jail. Failure to comply with a police officer.
Brett: Your lawful orders to answer your questions...
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yes, my field.
Brett: Personal questions?
Officer James Kuehnlein: What's personal questions? You're sitting here in a commuter parking lot at 2 o'clock in the morning, you understand.
Brett: Okay, that's fine.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what, I think I'm gonna bring you with me. Come on.
Brett: Officer please.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I think you're gonna come with me. Then you can try and sue me in grand jury and I bet you I win. Then I'll sue you.
Brett: Officer I really... I just had a bad night.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Well let's ruin your night. You want to show me attitude.
Brett: No, no I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I want to show you the law. I want to show you the law. I'm gonna show you my law is right yours is wrong.
Brett: Officer, I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything. I've had problems with everybody tonight and I didn't mean to give you attitude. It's just one of those nights.
11:46
Officer James Kuehnlein: [Officer James Kuehnlein looks at Officer #2] He's getting sorry now.
I'm sure you've had the same nights.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't take it out of people.
Brett: I know, and I shouldn't either.
Officer #2- [speaking to officer James Kuehnlein] He's got a scanner in his car.
Brett: I've always got a scanner in my car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: And by the way, that is technically a burglary tool cause you're scanning us while you're driving around. You're trying to see if you're gonna be detected. [The scanner was off]
Officer James Kuehnlein: What do you do? Do you go look for trouble?
Officers #2- [speaking to officer James Kuehnlein while looking through my back window at a small hidden camera] That is a camera.
Brett: I have multiple cameras all over the car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You have issues man. Okay?
Brett: Alright, I'm sorry.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I think I want to take you to jail just to prove you wrong. Do you have any weapons or anything on you I need to know about?
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: If you would, turn around and place your hands on the car real quick. I'm gonna pat you down.
[At this point the officer finds nothing and I am finally released.]
1:07
Officer James Kuehnlein: How we doin? What's going on?
Brett: Nothing.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Why you parkin here?
Brett: Can't I park here? It's a commuter lot right?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah, but we have problems after midnight time. People break into cars. You got any ID on you?
Brett: Yeah, I do.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Can I see it please?
Brett: Did I do something wrong?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you're a suspicious vehicle right now.
Brett: I'm what?
Officer James Kuehnlein: [Leans into the car and yells] You are a suspicious vehicle right now.
Brett: In a commuter parking lot?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you are cause we have car thieves in here. Yeah you're right.
Brett: Cause I can park right here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You want me -- You wanna come out of the car? Come on out. Come on out.
1:32
[I exit the vehicle]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Let me see your ID.
[I give him my valid Missouri License]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Let me see your insurance card for the vehicle.
Brett: Did I commit a moving violation?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah you did, when you were coming in here.
Brett: Really? What was that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah, you wanna try me? You wanna try me tonight? You think you've had a bad night? I will ruin your ****ing night.
[Officer starts to get close up to my face]
Officer James Kuehnlein You want to try me?
[Officer is inches away from my face, screaming as I'm pinned between him and my vehicle]
Officer James Kuehnlein Do you wanna try me young boy? Do you want to try me tonight young boy?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you want to go to jail for some ****ing reason I come up with?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you wanna see who knows the law better, me or you. My experience compared to your young ass. Huh? Don't ever get smart mouthed with a cop again. I show you what a cop does. Do you understand me?
Brett: Yes sir.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Try and talk back -- Talk back to me again. I bet I could say you resisted arrest or something. You want to come up with something? I come up with nine things. Do you wanna try something?
Brett: No I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Wait here.
2:52
Officer James Kuehnlein Oh, while you were coming towards me you were swerving back and forth within the roadway. Okay? I might give you a ticket for that. You want me to come up with some more? When you turned in, you failed to use your turn signal, your right turn signal [Turn signal was used, see video at 0:06]. You wanna try me some more? Huh? Come on smart ass. Gimmie an attitude a little bit more. I bet -- I guarantee I can tow this car by the time I'm done with you. You wanna try me now? Gimmie a little more lip. [officer gets back up in my face] Come on boy. Come on boy give me some more lip. You're done?
Brett: I don't want any problems officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You're about ready to get it. You already start your ****ing problems with your attitude. Did we have a bad night boy? Huh? Answer me or I'll lock you up for failure to imply with a police officer's commands.
Brett: Cause I'm not answering your questions about my personal business?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want me to show you? You want me to show you? You want me to lock you up to show you I'm right and you're wrong?
Brett: No I don't officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You want me to show you the ****ing law.
Brett: No, I mean I know Sean who used to work here. [A new neighbor of mine that used to work in the St. George police department]
Officer James Kuehnlein: Sean who? You mean my buddy, my best friend?
Brett: Yeah. He's me neighbor.
Officer James Kuehnlein Okay, he's my best friend. Oh good. Why don't you go call him and tell him you came in front of Kuehnlein and see what he says If you got lucky you'll walk away from me.
Brett: I really don't want any trouble officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What are you doin' with a camera hooked to your car seat?
Brett: I have lots of cameras in my car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Why is that?
Brett: And they upload to secure sources
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. I don't really care about your secure sources. I've got one in my car. See that?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's a secure source.
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I really don't care about your camera system cause I'm about ready to tow your car. Then we can tear them all apart...
Brett: Oh well, it doesn't matter. The videos not even in here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, it doesn't matter, I really don't care about your video
Brett: I'm sure the news will like it.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't really care cause you're about ready to go to jail.
Brett: I don't want to go to jail officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I'm gonna show you you're about ready to.
Brett: You're right officer
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay.
Brett: I'm sorry.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You think these security cameras -- I guarantee ya, mine and my boy mic is gonna tell a little different and your attitude.
Brett: I don't want any problems.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You started it. Why do you have an attitude? As a matter of fact, I was gonna come in here, see if you're okay. First of all we have people try to commit suicide in here. We have car thieves come in here. We have people break into cars here. I have enough probable cause to stop you. Okay?
Brett: Okay officer, I'm sorry. I don't want any problems.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What is your problem tonight?
Brett: I just had a bad night officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what? You don't take it out on me. You don't never take it out on a cop cause we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What is your problem tonight?
Brett: I had problems earlier, I just came in here to sit.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what, that's all you tell me. You don't give me no problem with -- what did I do wrong cause I guarantee I come up with nine things. If you know Sean, why don't you ask Sean about me. Okay?
Brett: What's your name?
Officer James Kuehnlein Sergeant Kuehnlein.
5:31
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do me a favor. When you do turn in here next time, use your turn signal.
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. And seriously if you are pissed off, you're impairing your driving. Okay? I don't know if you were talking on the phone or just not paying attention, you were honestly coming down the roadway not staying within your roadway. You were honestly going back and forth. I don't know what you were doing, but I go it all on tape. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't know if you were playing with something else, or paying attention to something else, I don't know.
Brett: Alright.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You need to be more aware. And when people pull you over, my job ain't to be P-ed off. Okay? My job is to conduct my career and my job. Okay?
Brett: Okay.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't have to have a reason to pull you over. First of all you're a suspicious vehicle in the commuter lot that's pretty much vacant and the commuter lot hours is after dusk, after 12 o'clock. Okay? You understand what I'm getting at? I know the law a little bit... How old are you by the way? 18?
Brett: I'm 20.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, I was close. Okay. I think I've been around, as a matter of fact, I've been a cop almost as long as you've been alive. Okay?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you understand what I'm getting at?
Brett: I really don't want any problems officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you understand what I'm getting at? I'm trying not be ignorant, but when you give me lip, I'm gonna give it right back to you ten times harder. Okay? You give me an attitude, I'm gonna give you attitude a lot harder. Okay?
Brett: Alright.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You understand what I'm getting at? I'm trying to honestly see what's wrong, why, with your attitude. You understand?
Brett: Yeah.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. You seem... You ever been in trouble before?
Brett: Yes.
Officer James Kuehnlein: For what?
Brett: Assault.
Officer James Kuehnlein: To who?
Brett: An off-duty police officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: A cop?
Brett: I was assaulted by a police officer and a grand jury dismissed all the charges and the City of St. Louis paid me not to sue.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. You have a problem then. Is it, was it your attitude that night, probably? Or he just had...
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Or he just had...
Brett: No, it was an intoxicated off-duty police officer that attacked me.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Oh, it didn't happen while he was on-duty?
Brett: No, He was off-duty.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You need to honestly lose... Okay, where do you work at?
Brett: I own my own company.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What do you do?
Brett: I'm a painter. I'm a paint contractor and I go to school.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay. Let's say you're a painter. Okay. You were going to sit there a few minutes right?
Brett: Yeah.
Officer James Kuehnlein: We're gonna talk for a few seconds. Okay, then I'll let you go. If you don't have no warrants against you, I'm gonna run your name real quick. You don't have no warrants do you?
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Okay, lets say I come to your job or you come to my house, wherever you're painting and I start giving you attitude. What would you do? Would you get a little irritated about that? And probably not do a great job of painting or something? Am I right or wrong?
Brett: You're right officer.
Officer James Kuehnlein: No. Don't agree with me cause you want to agree with me now. Agree with me because, if I'm right, tell me if I'm wrong.
Brett: I don't want any trouble.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Here's my back-up you don't think I'm gonna do anything. We've got cameras and body mics.
Brett: Well I don't know. You said you were going to charge me with resisting arrest and whatever else.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Well yeah. I can come up with more stuff than you can.
Brett: I'm just standing here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: No, cause you kept flinging your hands. [My hands were held at my beltline the whole time]
Brett: My hands were down here.
Officer James Kuehnlein: At toward me. Nah, you were swinging up and down.
8:30
[Officer #2 walks up and James Kuehnlein starts talking to him]
Officer James Kuehnlein: He comes by me, coming down the road going in and out of the roadway within, within the lane. Failure to use a right-turn signal.
Brett: Was I speeding too?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Speeding. Do you understand I don't have to pull you over for speeding. Okay, It's your driving.
Officer #2 He's got a camera in the car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's to a secret link. I told him about our cameras too and our body mics. But anyway, the first thing he does is give me attitude about why I'm pulling him over. First of all, he's in the commuter lot after dark. I told him a lot of people try to commit suicide. Uh, people steal cars. People break into cars. He tried giving me lip and uh, he tried telling me all this stuff.
Officer #2 Why does he have the camera?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Cause he was assault right, but an off-duty drunk city cop so he put cameras in his car. I don't understand it. Anyway, that's him. But, now he's just agreeing with me just for the fun of it cause he had a bad day so he thinks he's gonna tell me the law why I can't pull him over.
Officer James Kuehnlein: It's called... When you go home and you want to tell everybody, first thing you tell em, you were pulled over because you were a suspicious vehicle. In the State of Missouri, we have the right to stop anybody walking for a pat check, or stop a suspicious vehicle anytime. Okay? That was my probable cause. And this parking lot, as a matter of fact, what's this parking lot called? Officer James Kuehnlein: What did you just call it?
Brett: It's a parking lot.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What kind?
Brett: A commuter parking lot
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are you commuting somewhere? Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer James Kuehnlein: That's why I was coming to inquire about that, but you just told me you were going to sit here.
Brett: You don't know if I was going to wait here for somebody to come pick me up.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I asked you that, did I not.
Brett: I don't have to say anything. I have the 5th Amendment right.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Do you really?
Brett: Do you know what the 5th Amendment right is?
Officer James Kuehnlein Do you know what impeding the flow of a police officers duties are?
Brett: What's that? Go ahead, tell me.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Whenever I ask you... If I'm conducting an investigat... This is called a field investigation, if you're impeding it, you're impeding it.
Brett: You're saying, I can't refuse to answer your questions?
Officer James Kuehnlein: They're not incriminating are they?
Brett: You don't know that.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Are they incriminating?
Brett: Yes they are.
Officer James Kuehnlein: They are?
Brett: They could be.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Then are you doing something illegal here?
Brett: No I'm not.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Then they are not incriminating.
Brett: Yes, they could be incriminating. I have the right to privacy.
Officer James Kuehnlein: What privacy? Not when you're out in public, you don't have the right to privacy.
Brett: Yes, I do have a right to not tell you where I'm going or what I'm doing.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Really?
Brett: It's the 4th Amendment right.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Really?
Brett: Yes it is. Violation of my rights...
Officer James Kuehnlein: I like this. You want me to tell you the law.
Brett: Go ahead and tell me the law.
Officer James Kuehnlein: If you fail to comply with my orders, my lawful orders, you have the right to go to jail. Failure to comply with a police officer.
Brett: Your lawful orders to answer your questions...
Officer James Kuehnlein: Yes, my field.
Brett: Personal questions?
Officer James Kuehnlein: What's personal questions? You're sitting here in a commuter parking lot at 2 o'clock in the morning, you understand.
Brett: Okay, that's fine.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You know what, I think I'm gonna bring you with me. Come on.
Brett: Officer please.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I think you're gonna come with me. Then you can try and sue me in grand jury and I bet you I win. Then I'll sue you.
Brett: Officer I really... I just had a bad night.
Officer James Kuehnlein: Well let's ruin your night. You want to show me attitude.
Brett: No, no I don't.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I want to show you the law. I want to show you the law. I'm gonna show you my law is right yours is wrong.
Brett: Officer, I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything. I've had problems with everybody tonight and I didn't mean to give you attitude. It's just one of those nights.
11:46
Officer James Kuehnlein: [Officer James Kuehnlein looks at Officer #2] He's getting sorry now.
I'm sure you've had the same nights.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I don't take it out of people.
Brett: I know, and I shouldn't either.
Officer #2- [speaking to officer James Kuehnlein] He's got a scanner in his car.
Brett: I've always got a scanner in my car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: And by the way, that is technically a burglary tool cause you're scanning us while you're driving around. You're trying to see if you're gonna be detected. [The scanner was off]
Officer James Kuehnlein: What do you do? Do you go look for trouble?
Officers #2- [speaking to officer James Kuehnlein while looking through my back window at a small hidden camera] That is a camera.
Brett: I have multiple cameras all over the car.
Officer James Kuehnlein: You have issues man. Okay?
Brett: Alright, I'm sorry.
Officer James Kuehnlein: I think I want to take you to jail just to prove you wrong. Do you have any weapons or anything on you I need to know about?
Brett: No.
Officer James Kuehnlein: If you would, turn around and place your hands on the car real quick. I'm gonna pat you down.
[At this point the officer finds nothing and I am finally released.]
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
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by WaTcHeR » 12 Sep 2007, Wed 3:49 pm
Driver films cop's explosive tirade during traffic stop
Brett Darrow rigged a dashboard camera in his car and then recorded a St. George, Mo., police officer who started yelling and threatening the 20-year-old after he stopped in a commuter parking lot.
Sgt. James Kuehnlein is heard on the tape saying that Darrow was "suspicious."
"The attitude escalated when he thought I was questioning his authority, but I was just trying to figure out what he was doing," Darrow tells The Post-Dispatch. "I was really scared. He was up in my face, spit coming in my face."
Here are some excerpts from the tirade that followed:
Officer: You wanna try me? You wanna try me tonight? You think you have a bad night? I will ruin your fucking night. You wanna try me? Do you wanna try me young boy? You wanna try me tonight young boy? You wanna go to jail for some fucking reason I come up with? You wanna see who knows the law better, me or you?
"I'd like to see the officer fired. I thought his conduct was ridiculous. and now the patrol car video is missing. The chief can't find it, so I think this officer needs to be fired," Darrow tells CNN.
Chief Scott Uhrig tells KTVI-TV that Kuehnlein was placed on unpaid leave because he failed to turn on his patrol car's camera during the stop.
"There is some language, certain things said that I don't condone. But at the same time, this guy was pushing the buttons of this officer, antagonizing him purposely," Uhrig tells the station.
Darrow didn't receive a ticket. He says he installed the camera last year after receiving a traffic ticket that he thought he didn't deserve.
Update at 10:44 a.m. ET: Uhrig was less supportive of the officer when he spoke with the Associated Press. "I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video," Uhrig said. "My officers are not trained and taught to act like that."
He says the officer's behavior was inappropriate. "Someone either violated the law or they didn't. You don't say, I'll lock you up and then come up with why afterward," Uhrig said.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... ms-co.html
Brett Darrow rigged a dashboard camera in his car and then recorded a St. George, Mo., police officer who started yelling and threatening the 20-year-old after he stopped in a commuter parking lot.
Sgt. James Kuehnlein is heard on the tape saying that Darrow was "suspicious."
"The attitude escalated when he thought I was questioning his authority, but I was just trying to figure out what he was doing," Darrow tells The Post-Dispatch. "I was really scared. He was up in my face, spit coming in my face."
Here are some excerpts from the tirade that followed:
Officer: You wanna try me? You wanna try me tonight? You think you have a bad night? I will ruin your fucking night. You wanna try me? Do you wanna try me young boy? You wanna try me tonight young boy? You wanna go to jail for some fucking reason I come up with? You wanna see who knows the law better, me or you?
"I'd like to see the officer fired. I thought his conduct was ridiculous. and now the patrol car video is missing. The chief can't find it, so I think this officer needs to be fired," Darrow tells CNN.
Chief Scott Uhrig tells KTVI-TV that Kuehnlein was placed on unpaid leave because he failed to turn on his patrol car's camera during the stop.
"There is some language, certain things said that I don't condone. But at the same time, this guy was pushing the buttons of this officer, antagonizing him purposely," Uhrig tells the station.
Darrow didn't receive a ticket. He says he installed the camera last year after receiving a traffic ticket that he thought he didn't deserve.
Update at 10:44 a.m. ET: Uhrig was less supportive of the officer when he spoke with the Associated Press. "I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video," Uhrig said. "My officers are not trained and taught to act like that."
He says the officer's behavior was inappropriate. "Someone either violated the law or they didn't. You don't say, I'll lock you up and then come up with why afterward," Uhrig said.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... ms-co.html
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by WaTcHeR » 12 Sep 2007, Wed 3:51 pm
Interview on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/09/12/chetry.kid.pulled.over.dashcam.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/09/12/chetry.kid.pulled.over.dashcam.cnn
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by Ancap » 12 Sep 2007, Wed 9:48 pm
"There is some language, certain things said that I don't condone. But at the same time, this guy was pushing the buttons of this officer, antagonizing him purposely," Uhrig tells the station.
Exercising one's rights is considered "pushing buttons".
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Voting is merely selecting the person you feel is best suited to control your life.
The State is an organized criminal syndicate. It's actions are merely legal because the state determines the legalities.
Voting is merely selecting the person you feel is best suited to control your life.
The State is an organized criminal syndicate. It's actions are merely legal because the state determines the legalities.
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by WaTcHeR » 13 Sep 2007, Thu 1:54 pm
This story is another example why all police cars in America should have a video recorder in them and that's "tamper proof."
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by WaTcHeR » 22 Sep 2007, Sat 11:46 am
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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Officer James Kuehnlein Gets His Ass Fired!
by WaTcHeR » 23 Sep 2007, Sun 6:03 pm
ST. GEORGE, Missouri -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Officer James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity.
"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/madcop ... cnn_latest
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Officer James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity.
"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/madcop ... cnn_latest
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by WaTcHeR » 23 Sep 2007, Sun 6:06 pm
I like it when cops have really "bad days" and it look like someone else just fucking ruined Officer James Kuehnlein day! :D
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
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by WaTcHeR » 26 Sep 2007, Wed 8:45 pm
Missouri: Police Stake Out Brett Darrow Home
Saint Louis, Missouri police stake out the home of young motorist whose video of an out-of-control police officer garnered international attention.
A young Saint Louis, Missouri motorist faces trouble with local police upset at the national attention his September 7 video of an out-of-control officer has drawn to ongoing problems within area law enforcement agencies. On Sunday, Brett Darrow filmed a Saint Louis Metropolitan Police Department cruiser staking out his home.
"It was the first time I've seen it," Darrow told TheNewspaper. "But my neighbor said he's seen a lot of police down our dead end street since all of this happened."
When Darrow walked outside to his 1997 Nissan Maxima, he noticed two officers sitting in a marked squad car, numbered 65. There is little question as to why the officers were there.
"As I got into the car, he started to pull up the street and he and his partner just stared me down," Darrow explained.
The patrol car drove away as Darrow started his car and followed. Because his camera had been set to capture night-time footage, the first 45 seconds of the video is obscured. It does, however, capture the police car making questionable turning maneuvers in order to get away. Members of the police community are on the record regarding their desire to stake out Darrow's home and harass the twenty-year-old. In late June, users of St. Louis CopTalk, an unofficial forum for Saint Louis area law enforcement, posted Darrow's home address along with messages containing apparent death threats in retaliation for the young motorist's taping of a DUI roadblock in November and a traffic ticket in June. One CopTalk user repeating the address wrote, "Every copper, City and County, should etch this little punks [sic] name in their [sic] memory. Brett Darrow, [address deleted], city of St. Louis." (View screen capture of post)
This month, however, scandals within the Saint Louis Police Department which otherwise would have been a local story, gathered national attention and fueled additional resentment. Some $40,000 in cash turned up "missing" from the police evidence room on September 17. The city of St. George was forced to fire Sergeant James Kuehnlein for his threat to "come up with reasons" to "lock up" Darrow. An investigation into whether Kuehnlein's actions merit criminal charges is under way. Darrow met on Monday with a Saint Louis County Police Department detective.
"I quickly learned that this was about finding something I did wrong and not the officer," Darrow said.
Despite the official harassment, Darrow has been comforted by an unexpected level of support from the general public. Motorists who recognized him from various television interviews have stopped to thank him or give him the "thumbs up." A judge also dropped charges from the June traffic stop after a Saint Louis police officer failed to show up at a trial where Darrow had been prepared to defend himself with video evidence.
Video on link:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1988.asp
Saint Louis, Missouri police stake out the home of young motorist whose video of an out-of-control police officer garnered international attention.
A young Saint Louis, Missouri motorist faces trouble with local police upset at the national attention his September 7 video of an out-of-control officer has drawn to ongoing problems within area law enforcement agencies. On Sunday, Brett Darrow filmed a Saint Louis Metropolitan Police Department cruiser staking out his home.
"It was the first time I've seen it," Darrow told TheNewspaper. "But my neighbor said he's seen a lot of police down our dead end street since all of this happened."
When Darrow walked outside to his 1997 Nissan Maxima, he noticed two officers sitting in a marked squad car, numbered 65. There is little question as to why the officers were there.
"As I got into the car, he started to pull up the street and he and his partner just stared me down," Darrow explained.
The patrol car drove away as Darrow started his car and followed. Because his camera had been set to capture night-time footage, the first 45 seconds of the video is obscured. It does, however, capture the police car making questionable turning maneuvers in order to get away. Members of the police community are on the record regarding their desire to stake out Darrow's home and harass the twenty-year-old. In late June, users of St. Louis CopTalk, an unofficial forum for Saint Louis area law enforcement, posted Darrow's home address along with messages containing apparent death threats in retaliation for the young motorist's taping of a DUI roadblock in November and a traffic ticket in June. One CopTalk user repeating the address wrote, "Every copper, City and County, should etch this little punks [sic] name in their [sic] memory. Brett Darrow, [address deleted], city of St. Louis." (View screen capture of post)
This month, however, scandals within the Saint Louis Police Department which otherwise would have been a local story, gathered national attention and fueled additional resentment. Some $40,000 in cash turned up "missing" from the police evidence room on September 17. The city of St. George was forced to fire Sergeant James Kuehnlein for his threat to "come up with reasons" to "lock up" Darrow. An investigation into whether Kuehnlein's actions merit criminal charges is under way. Darrow met on Monday with a Saint Louis County Police Department detective.
"I quickly learned that this was about finding something I did wrong and not the officer," Darrow said.
Despite the official harassment, Darrow has been comforted by an unexpected level of support from the general public. Motorists who recognized him from various television interviews have stopped to thank him or give him the "thumbs up." A judge also dropped charges from the June traffic stop after a Saint Louis police officer failed to show up at a trial where Darrow had been prepared to defend himself with video evidence.
Video on link:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1988.asp
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by WaTcHeR » 26 Sep 2007, Wed 8:49 pm
I know from experience that cops are a very dangerous group of people to fuck with. This kid needs to be careful or he might one day be found in a shallow grave, probably by the same people who put him there the "cops."
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by pierre790 » 30 Sep 2007, Sun 7:22 pm
"There should be studies done in regard to the sick minds of police.
Were they born this way,made so by their positions or had mental deficiancies long before and their positions gave them the opportunity to act them out."
Were they born this way,made so by their positions or had mental deficiancies long before and their positions gave them the opportunity to act them out."
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by ghs1141 » 29 Oct 2007, Mon 8:38 pm
This officer is why people hate all officers. Not all police are sick. Maybe we should just disband all police departments. Maybe if police officers were paid better they could hire better people with college degrees???? Think about it.
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by WaTcHeR » 30 Oct 2007, Tue 8:21 pm
ghs1141 wrote:This officer is why people hate all officers. Not all police are sick. Maybe we should just disband all police departments. Maybe if police officers were paid better they could hire better people with college degrees???? Think about it.
The state isn't to interested in hiring people that will think for themselves, the state wants people that will do what they are told without questioning orders.
From the FBI all the way down to small police departments, they have begun to lower their standards of the type of officers they hire. Just a couple of years ago if you applied to be a police officer and admitted to using drugs in the past, you wouldn't be hired. Now departments are in such a bind for officers they now are changing their policy to hiring admitted drug users. If they broke the law one time, what makes you think they won't break the law again?
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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by ghs1141 » 30 Oct 2007, Tue 10:40 pm
The requirements to be an FBI agent have become extremely hard in the past 10 years. It used to be with a 4 year degree and a few years of law enforcement experience you could get a job. Now they laugh at you. Now they want law degree, foreign language skills, and many years of detective type work before they will even talk to you. Your statements are based on what? You act like you are all knowing when it comes to hiring standards for every agency in the US.
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by WaTcHeR » 18 Mar 2008, Tue 10:50 pm
The man who videotaped a St. George police officer's tirade against him last year, and put it online labeled "Cop Gone Wild," filed a federal civil rights lawsuit Monday over the incident.
Brett Darrow's suit, filed in federal court in St. Louis by lawyers working for the American Civil Liberties Union, asks for unspecified compensatory and punitive damages from the city of St. George, former police Sgt. James Kuehnlein and an unidentified officer who arrived on the scene.
It alleges civil rights violations including assault, battery and Darrow's false imprisonment when police refused to let him leave and threatened him with arrest.
The confrontation happened about 2 a.m. Sept. 7 in a commuter parking lot in south St. Louis County at Spokane and Reavis Barracks roads. Darrow, who runs his own painting business by day and attends community college at night, told a reporter last fall that he was there to meet a friend.
He also said that he installed a video camera in his Nissan Maxima after previous run-ins with police.
Some accused him of trying to bait police with that camera and his recitation of his rights at every traffic stop, but Darrow denied that and said he has never been anti-police.
The suit says that when Darrow entered the commuter lot, he didn't violate any traffic laws.
But Kuehnlein, who has since been fired, approached his car and began questioning him.
Darrow responded with queries of his own about the justification for the stop. He also asserted his Fourth Amendment rights to privacy.
The suit says that Kuehnlein had Darrow step out of the car, pinned him against Darrow's car, then got in Darrow's face and shouted, "You wanna try me tonight? You think you've had a bad night? I will ruin your (expletive) night."
Darrow said no. Kuehnlein then suggests he could make up reasons to detain or arrest Darrow, the suit says. "Do you want to go to jail for some (expletive) reason I come up with?"
The suit says that an unidentified St. George officer arrived but failed to intervene.
It also alleges that Kuehnlein patted him down without cause after Darrow asserted his right not to answer questions and his right to privacy.
Darrow was released after about 18 minutes, the suit says, and never arrested.
Kuehnlein, Darrow, Police Chief Scott Uhrig and the lawyers who filed the suit could not be reached for comment Monday.
Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed. Kuehnlein was fired.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Brett Darrow's suit, filed in federal court in St. Louis by lawyers working for the American Civil Liberties Union, asks for unspecified compensatory and punitive damages from the city of St. George, former police Sgt. James Kuehnlein and an unidentified officer who arrived on the scene.
It alleges civil rights violations including assault, battery and Darrow's false imprisonment when police refused to let him leave and threatened him with arrest.
The confrontation happened about 2 a.m. Sept. 7 in a commuter parking lot in south St. Louis County at Spokane and Reavis Barracks roads. Darrow, who runs his own painting business by day and attends community college at night, told a reporter last fall that he was there to meet a friend.
He also said that he installed a video camera in his Nissan Maxima after previous run-ins with police.
Some accused him of trying to bait police with that camera and his recitation of his rights at every traffic stop, but Darrow denied that and said he has never been anti-police.
The suit says that when Darrow entered the commuter lot, he didn't violate any traffic laws.
But Kuehnlein, who has since been fired, approached his car and began questioning him.
Darrow responded with queries of his own about the justification for the stop. He also asserted his Fourth Amendment rights to privacy.
The suit says that Kuehnlein had Darrow step out of the car, pinned him against Darrow's car, then got in Darrow's face and shouted, "You wanna try me tonight? You think you've had a bad night? I will ruin your (expletive) night."
Darrow said no. Kuehnlein then suggests he could make up reasons to detain or arrest Darrow, the suit says. "Do you want to go to jail for some (expletive) reason I come up with?"
The suit says that an unidentified St. George officer arrived but failed to intervene.
It also alleges that Kuehnlein patted him down without cause after Darrow asserted his right not to answer questions and his right to privacy.
Darrow was released after about 18 minutes, the suit says, and never arrested.
Kuehnlein, Darrow, Police Chief Scott Uhrig and the lawyers who filed the suit could not be reached for comment Monday.
Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed. Kuehnlein was fired.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
"Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."
"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."
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